Ep. 6: Burnout, Debt & That WTF Healing Phasewith Leslie Thornton
This conversation started as a casual coffee chat, and turned into a podcast episode because it was too good not to share. What you’re about to hear is a raw, unfiltered look at the part of career pivots no one prepares you for: that disorienting, “WTF is happening?” healing phase where the old you is gone, the hustle no longer fits, and you’re left figuring out how to move through the messy middle.
I sit down with NLP master coach Leslie Thornton, and together we pull back the curtain on burnout, business identity loss, debt, surrendering to feminine energy (terrifying, but necessary), and how letting go, not pushing harder, is what actually gets you to the other side. Oh, and yes… even AI helped us both see things more clearly.
If you’re in that weird limbo where nothing feels right anymore and you’re quietly asking, what now? this one’s for you.
💡 What you’ll hear:
Why letting go (instead of grinding harder) is sometimes the real path forward
The truth about burnout, debt, and that “WTF” identity crisis phase
How surrendering to your feminine energy can feel terrifying—but freeing
Why your business (or career) might fall apart before it falls together
The surprising way AI helped spark clarity during our pivots
🌀 Quote to remember:
"I’m not gonna go back to who I was. I can tell I’m integrated. Some things just don’t bother me anymore."
🔗 Find Leslie at hpwl.co and check out her podcast Hypnosis for Permanent Weight Loss
💥 Grab my free Heart-Aligned Career Transition Starter or book a clarity call at www.leadintact.com
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Description text goes hereIntroduction to The Pivot Point
You are listening to The Pivot Point where we unpack the defining moments that shift careers and lives. I'm your host, Laura Dionisio, a founder of Lead Intact, and my mission is to spotlight the raw real stories behind career pivots, the fears, the hopes. The messy middles and the bold decisions that follow if you're feeling stuck or quietly wondering what's next?
I hope these stories help you see yourself a little more clearly and inspire you to start moving toward your own dream life. Let's begin.
Unexpected Episode with Leslie Thornton
Hi everyone. Welcome to The Pivot Point. I have a confession. This is a guest episode, but I gotta tell you this episode, it was never supposed to be an episode, so. Please pardon the audio. It's not the usual quality that I have in these episodes as I am not micd up. Here's what happened. Leslie and I jumped on what was supposed to be a casual coffee chat.
I didn't hit record, but thankfully she automatically does on her end. Thanks, Leslie. And about halfway through we were like, wait, this is too good not to share. We talk about everything pivoting out of burnout, surrendering to your feminine energy, debt, business identity, AI, my personal latest obsession, and why healing has to happen if you actually want your life to feel better, not just look better.
Meeting Leslie Thornton
Fun fact, the way Leslie and I met was one of those, you can't make the shit up moments. I was at a live event hosted by Elyse Archer, and that morning while I was getting ready, I had been listening to an episode of Elyse's.
She Sells radio podcast. I show up to the event, sit down next to this woman. We introduce ourselves and she says, her name is Leslie Thornton. And I'm like, why does that sound so familiar? And then I realized, I literally was just listening to her that morning. I was like, hold up. Are you the Leslie Thornton Crazy?
And of course we had to connect after that. Since we didn't plan this chat as a podcast, we never did a formal intro. Which meant I may or may not have stalked her website a little bit afterward to get the scoop on the amazing Leslie Thornton. So here's her unofficial bio by me.
Leslie Thornton's Background and Work
Leslie Thornton is a former ICU nurse turned subconscious reprogramming, an NLP Master coach who helps women finally get free from food obsession control and the mental chaos that keeps them stuck.
Yeah, these days she's certifying other coaches running a successful business and doing it all in a way that's deeply aligned with who she is. What I love most about her work is that she blends neuroscience mindset and real life behavior change in a way that actually sticks. No short term hacks, no rigid plans, just real.
Transformation. She's also the host of the Hypnosis for Permanent Weight Loss Podcast, where she talks about food freedom, identity shifts, and how to rewire your beliefs from the inside out. And beyond all that, she's been through her own pivots. She gets it, she's lived it, and she brings so much honesty, wisdom, and heart to this conversation.
I cannot wait for you to hear her story. So if you've been in that weird limbo space where something feels off, but you're not quite sure what's next? This one's for you. So sit back. Relax and enjoy being a part of this authentic and raw catchup session between friends.
AI and Podcasting
You want your note taker here? I've been all into AI lately. Cool. So now I am recording calls and then asking it to, I don't know, give me a summary or you know what?
I've done a. I didn't even ask ChatGPT to do this, but it pulled in there are some great nuggets from your conversation alone. Here are some content ideas, so I'm like, oh shit. Maybe I should do that. Because, yeah, there's so many applications that I didn't even think of. I appreciate that, Laura. Thank you. That makes so much sense. I'm so into AI.
It's just catapulting us so much faster into our future as beings. It's giving me confidence too, so I've been toying with the idea of starting my own podcast. Have we talked about this? We might have. , Maybe I just always saw you as someone who should have your own platform, that's for sure. So maybe that's, yeah. Thank you. I appreciate that. I received, but having said that, even though I'm not camera shy, I think that's obvious. I love everything.
Like anytime I've clicked on your story, I'm like, girl, let's see what this girl's got to say. Laura's here. So it's exciting, I could tell I was procrastinating. I was doing what I like to call a productive procrastination Uhhuh. Where you like, yeah, I was doing all the research and it was good up until I realized I was using it to not take action.
Cool. Good for you. So finally I asked ChatGPT, I'm thinking of starting a podcast, blah, blah, blah. And then it gave me the steps, like some of the things that I was already thinking of like what's my episode length?
And it's simple now, but I was just wrapped up in my head. Yeah. So now I was like, what's one thing that I can do? And it was like, just hit record. I'm like, damn it, chat is calling me out.
I really get that. My confidence has definitely raised since I started using it because it takes all of the stuff, it's hard to see when you're the one producing the stuff.
It's just the effect. It's so powerful. It's like an app on my phone now oh yeah. The voice thing, like game changer. I didn't know, did you know that?
Oh, I don't use this. Tell. You can use their voice for it. Voice text. Game changer. They're like fucking burst. Okay.
I'm excited for you and congratulations. You're really stepping in and taking action and Great. So what's your goals? So right now I'm focusing on the podcast. You know what's funny is at the end of last year, I was so like.
Go go. I had run my first workshop. I was sending consistent newsletter. I was just on it and then a switch turned off and I was like. No. Yeah.
Embracing Feminine Energy and Burnout
And I didn't see it this way at the time, but when I saw Elyse, 'cause I went to the Sedona VIP day. Oh, cool. I went to one of her things in Sedona, and that place that we went to was insane.
First of all, Sedona. So Elyse says hi to me. Yes. And says, I heard you've been in your feminine. I'm like, oh shit. I didn't connect the dots. Oh, that's cool.
The way she said that. That's nice. I felt like I just wanted to exist and just be in my own space. I'd stopped reading educational books. I stopped listening to podcasts. I just stopped. I stopped even hanging out with friends for a while.
At first I was like, am I okay? But when I tuned in, I'm like, no, I just felt that peace. It's just so unfamiliar as being, you're nodding your head. You probably relate as being someone who's so go. My whole life I didn't understand this feeling of just wanting to exist, so that's why I thought something was wrong.
Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. So that was similar and so many different ways I talk about it now, but I really think that in order to have full integration, it's like we go all the way in the masculine. You learn so many lessons in the masculine, but then like you get so tired and then you go all, but you have to experience all the way in the feminine, which to me was terrifying when I did that.
And that happened to me when I was in Elyse's program as well. Like I just took my hands off the fucking wheel. I was disgusted by sales. I was like, yes, I ain't trying to get anybody to do shit. Nope, I will not.
Navigating Financial Challenges
And then, my debt went way up, my money went way down, and it was terrifying.
It was one of the hardest times. I certify people in neurolinguistic programming and one of the things I teach on values levels is there's this system of values that values. Level five is the entrepreneur, basically masculine. Values level six is hippie dippy, you could look at it as the feminine and it's notorious, like they don't have any money, but they hang out with people that are values level five.
So survive anyway, but we all need to evolve through all of these values levels so I was like, oh my God, I'm in values level six right now. And every values level five entrepreneur hates when they learn about this. I don't wanna have to go to six, I don't wanna have to go to six, but Elyse helped me fully surrender to the sixth. 'cause me resisting going into the feminine, I was like, I gotta hit this target, like I gotta scale. I got, and Elyse mirrored back to me. She was like, every time I talk to you, it seems like you want more spaciousness and more relaxation.
And I know I've been on this journey long enough that I know that I need to surrender to that. And so I went through that, but then slowly it started to come back but it fully integrated into this is me instead of I'm trying to follow somebody else's playbook in the masculine.
It was like, no, I'm choosing. To do business. I'm choosing to sell for the best interest of these people I'm talking to for these things that actually helps 'em move and take action and change their life. So it was like the embodiment that got to come. Yeah. Debt went away doing better, like better financially than I had before.
Okay, I wanna hear more about this because this is recent for me, right? Like I was in this bubble. I actually fully surrendered 'cause I'm like, this actually feels nice. I was the most unbothered that's the only word I could like unbothered, right? Nothing bother me.
Good for you. Unbothered. Like friends would, yeah, friends would freak out. I fought it like a freaking plate. I did not, I fought it. Good for you. Did not fight. I was like, this is a gift. Oh, so good. I wish I, I had the awareness that it was, and enjoyed it as much as I could, but my insides were tough grappling with the surrender.
I can understand why. I did have Q1, 2025 goal. And I meant it. I wasn't, and did you leave your corporate job or, I can't remember. Not yet. Okay. So that probably helped you fully surrender 'cause you still had that.
Oh no. What's crazy, Uhhuh speaking of the debt? Yeah. I had the highest debt also. Okay. But I was so unbothered I don't know what happened last. This is why I say it's a gif, like a switch turned off. I was going through this intuition class at the end of the year and she done like a one-on-one, like post-class checkup, and she tuned into my energy and she was like, it's almost like you're relaxing out of exhaustion.
Whoa. Which is true because I was just so push that it was almost like everything in me was just like. Let me just chill. You seem more radiant. Your hair is voluptuous. Like I feel like thank, I can tell that there, whatever you're doing is good. It's a gift. No, so to your point, that's why I wanna hear more because I'm just now getting out of it.
I did have to talk to myself a little bit because I don't normally have credit card debt, right? Because I had decided to do the VIP class and this and that. I had credit card debt and I was just like, I don't know. But then I reminded myself there's this analogy of imagine a woman who won the lottery and she's depositing like a $1 million check and she goes to the bank and it's gonna take a week to clear 'cause of the amount.
She leaves the bank, she's really happy. She's yeah, I got a million bucks. But the money hasn't hit her bank yet, but she knows it's coming. Be like her, To your point is this is level, what is it, level six, you said?
Level six is always Yes. Comes with the not having money. So the guy who taught me NLP was saying how when he went through values level six, like he was doing deep meditation and all this amazing like feminine type work uhhuh. And he said one day I got a phone call that was from the mortgage company and they were like, you've defaulted on your mortgage payments five times. And he was like, what? He was like, but I'm doing such great work. He was confused but it was because he was in the six.
But why? I know. It's just part of the values level. You're letting go. And you could look at it also as going into the feminine. Like I think it's part of the necessary integration, right?
Integrating Masculine and Feminine Energies
So my story was the food addiction thing.
So I was like perfectly with diet, right? And exercise and whatever mastered how to get my weight to the perfect box. So it was through falling all the masculine, right? It worked the blueprint, but then same thing. I like hit this thing with it, where now I was like. And I went all the way feminine with my eating and my food and I gained all this weight , but I was like a no to any rules or whatever.
And that was terrifying to see the weight go up the same way the debt went up. But then slowly it integrated and now who I am is just someone who has a healthy balance of both. So it happened with money right after my food thing. I was like, I know money's my next. Frontier. And that's when I hired Elyse and went all the way.
So it was like my money was here 'cause I followed the perfect blueprint in the masculine and then I hired Elyse and it was all the way over here. But I was like, I know I'm asking for this integration. Yeah. So I needed to hear that. 'cause I'm still like, I'm not in credit card debt anymore, but I'm still pretty down here compared to same thing.
Like I had a pretty nice savings, but then I kept investing in myself. Good. But it feels good. So yeah. I'm coming out of it now, but I already know I'm not gonna go back to who I was. I can tell it's, to your point, like I can tell I'm integrated. Like some things just don't bother me anymore.
One of the things that don't bother me anymore is I'm not forcing myself to do like the three outreach per day the revenue generating action a day. Like it just doesn't feel right. Yeah. Feels right is like me doing the AI stuff, doing the podcast because I'm like excited and I'm like learning to trust.
This is my biggest thing right now. Learning to trust that yes, I still have this goal to leave. It's not even, the goal isn't even to leave corporate. It's really to expand my business. Like leaving corporate's just gonna be a step, but it's like letting know of how I think I need to do it and just following what makes me excited.
I think that's the key. I think you can trust that a hundred percent. That's what every spiritual teaching talks about. Just follow your passion, follow your bliss, follow the energy of your highest excitement, and you can never go wrong. And I love that. Can tell you have that relationship with yourself where if you felt differently, right?
You're checking in. It's not like you're being like unconscious and dumb, you're just like, no, that's not my truth right now. So just keep trusting that it's amazing. I'm like baby stepping, it's almost like I just got a new wardrobe and things don't quite feel the same, but they look good, but I'm not quite settled.
What was that like for you? Getting out of it? So out of, oh, so with the money transformation values level six. Yeah. Getting out of that. Oh god. Yeah. Okay, cool. I'm happy to, it was a slow. Feeling of my energy coming back of a little bit more of that like masculine edge that had a bit of desire for that structure.
The other thing that happened was I actually missed working with people. I was still always working with people, but way down client base. It wasn't the regularity. I remember when I was working with Elyse, I was like, the thought of me sitting at this effing computer the way that I used to is like sickening to me.
But I was terrified that would never come back. Because I was like, but what am I gonna do? But I also have a really good relationship with my intuition. But that was the first time I ever had that. It was scary, but slowly I felt like I'm wanting to work.
Like before it was, I was working 'cause I had to Or else Scarcity. Lack, yeah. And then when I dropped that, then it was like, okay, I don't have to, but actually I'm finding that me making money consistently. Is part of my self-satisfaction, it's part of my happiness, it's part of what I want, the service is what I want.
So it was like I was choosing it for the first time.
The Desperation of Job Shifts
From a, I want it instead of have to. Oh, yeah. Without the desperate like C clause. Because even for me, at my corporate job. I wanted to leave it so that I could expand my business, but the want was still clingy. It still felt out of desperation.
There you go. And that's what I find with the job shifts of like when we hate, when we're going away from, right? Like I'm burnt out from this job, corporate, whatever.
Healing from Traumatic Job Experiences
Initially, it's that fear that gets us, but actually what we usually need in that transition is like a lot of healing from whatever traumatic shifts coming up. But people are, again, they're so scared about not having that same paycheck. But actually, giving ourselves the permission to heal from, 'cause it, a lot of times it's traumatic. Me leaving nursing in the ICU, that was traumatic for me.
I feel like I had some PTSD, I could hear the helicopter, 'cause I live so close to the hospital and every night I'd hear it and be like, oh my God, it's gonna be my patient. And they're literally gonna be a train wreck, and that was just not the right fit for me. So it was like I had, a lot of healing Yeah.
To do from that. But again, that PTSD was like, I gotta build a business, but it's pump the brakes yeah, you gotta heal. Yeah. But I still did both at the same time. And I built the business off a little bit of that scarcity fear energy for a very long time. And then realizing that's not sustainable.
The Importance of Empowered Choices
Sustainability is when you're doing something out of empowered choice, not fear, scarcity and lack, right? So then I watched my whole business start to tank. I. AKA employees falling away, I had no energy. I just wasn't showing up at the same way that I did as a leader anymore.
But I was like, I can't do anything right now. But I had interviewed on my podcast, other leaders who were, seven figure business owners. And they talked about as they were healing some of these inner things from like childhood and blah, blah blah, like their businesses fell down.
But then what? Reemerged was like a plus players mission-driven people . So I just, yeah, that's the experience I've been having is it's built on solid, amazing, positive ground and I've never been happier in work in my life than I have been post that time.
I love that.
Navigating Career Transitions and Burnout
You know what's crazy is I was just talking to a friend about something similar and now I'm wondering if it's like. You can't do anything about it, you have to go through this period. Or if there's a way to fast track. So for me, before this job, I was in another job that I was burnt out, not getting paid.
What I should be, that kind of thing. And then at first it was the anger that really got me out of that, that got me to ask for a raise and then use that raise to leverage into a higher offer. And then I got this job where I knew I was gonna get paid more. To work less, with less responsibilities.
And like I thought I, I was gonna be like, great, I'm gonna have time to build the business and because I'm gonna have all this extra time. But I actually looking back, went through a depression I see it now. Yeah. And it's because I didn't realize I needed to heal. First of all, I didn't even recognize I was depressed.
And then once I did, I was like, oh shit. Yeah. I realized it's because I had to heal, like the identity that led me to the burnout because. Wow. I felt guilty for not working as hard, but I didn't wanna work as hard, and so there was like a tug of war in me and I'm wondering, because it sounds like you've interviewed a lot of people, maybe not exact situation as what I just described, but similar feelings of leaving this thing and then healing, but then this goes to shit is that always gonna be, you think the phase of growth, or I wonder just a wave.
Understanding Values Change Indicator
So there's a thing that I teach in NLP, it's called the values change indicator. And it basically looks like, what's the symbol in math that goes like this sine wave, and then this set a sub curve or a sine wave.
It's hard angles though. So it starts out straight. Yeah. It dips down into a V, but then it goes higher up and then over onto flat ground again. So whenever we're shifting values. So it's like everything's all good. You started out with your last job and you're like, shit, I love it. I found it.
This is my shit. Whole, my whole, whole life. And then we see something that's better. We get present to our consciousness expands to oh, but I could have that. So then. We start having that inner tug of war because it's oh, but no, things were easier back when things, let me just try to make it good here.
Like I had it right? So I work with diet mentality people, so it's this is when people, it's oh, but the diet was working so well. Like I know if I just eat like this, it'll be good. But there's this part of them that wants more freedom and more life set like they wanna experience and but they're battling themselves.
Yeah. Okay.
The Role of Coaches in Personal Growth
So this is where people find coaches, and this is why we talk about the pain points because. That's right. This is what we know that they're grappling with. So if they get that, then so it gets harder. It has to on when you make the decision to go to here, the next level, we hire the coach, it has to get harder.
Because you have to go through the identity shift, the emotions, all the pain. Before it gets easier, but then you end up getting on that higher level and then you're back to it. But you're right, we always are shifting. So yes, we can expect that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where ha just, that's where the education is so powerful to be like, I know that this hard thinking or this stress is not anything about me.
Like I can see I'm shifting value, so let me just find out what that is and then hire the coach to help me transform faster. Okay. That makes a lot of sense 'cause I was thinking about it.
Highlighting Authentic Conversations
'cause that's part of the reason I wanted to start the podcast is to highlight exactly like what we're talking about and to say a, you're not crazy.
For being like, I got the thing that I want. But I still feel like shit. And B, there's a way out. And C, it doesn't have to be as long, you just find the support or the coach or the group Sometimes I, I do high ticket coaching and all my clients, for the most part, 85% come from the podcast.
And it's because every single episode just hit all those things from the authentic space of I hate myself and why do I look like this? And I hate my body and I know better. And why can't I stay consistent? Like I just was going into my pain because that was my experience. And me being like, but you don't have to feel that way, but you need to ask for help.
You have to make a change. You have to this okay. And then telling them to take action. I was like, don't listen to this podcast just to numb out and feel better. 'cause you ain't changing. You're not gonna get where you need to go just by listening. So you better book a call. I like that. I'm so glad that we had this talk at this time.
Yay. Thank you so much. I feel like I haven't asked like what you're up to.
Personal and Professional Updates
I've just been talking about meeting, let's see, what am I up to?
Happiest I've ever been in business. Yes, I'm working all the time, but I'm so into it, to the point where I'm like, all right, let me bring back my gym days. 'cause I feel like I'm working, enjoying the weather, getting nicer. Got a great boyfriend. He's great. He helps me all the time and we have lots of adventures and all that.
I've been speaking in dentistry the last two years. Okay. Allison introduced me and so half of my clients are now in dentistry or dentists. And then yeah, have my people who wanna receive the work doing hypnosis for permanent weight loss, helping them get free from the diet mentality.
And then I have people who wanna get trained in the work. So certifying people in NLP Hypnosis Timeline therapy, NLP coaching. I didn't know that you did that. Yeah. Yes. Okay. I'm gonna hit you up at some point. I think you would love it and I think you would give you an extra level of integrity when you're ready for speaking about coaching and help guide your clients to be like, Hey, this is normal, or, anyway, I think you'd love it. Okay. Yes. I definitely would love for you to be on my podcast or I would love it.
Let's just make this conversation into a podcast. We'll just post it up. Because I think the authenticity of the conversation is gonna really get people in.
They're gonna be like, oh my God, we're like really in a meeting, yeah. And I think that's gonna be even more powerful than if we. I think so. Thanks. Still the audience listening right now. Thank you for listening right now. Thank you. We've had a great time. So how can everybody find you?
My website is www.leadintact.com. Great. And I also am sadly addicted to social media, but you can DM me that way. That's great. My handle is at lead intact. That's L-E-A-D-I-N-T-A-C-T. So that's the best way to get ahold of me. I love that. And then what's your professional background so people can really relate to your specific background and know that you're the right person for them to contact?
I am a purposeful career transition coach, and I help those who have been in their careers for a long ass time and are looking for something new to transition into something more fulfilling. And it doesn't have to be like a. Burn the ships kind of thing. It could just be a mindset shift. It could be a different role in the company, or if you wanna burn the ship down, move across the country.
I'm here for it. I have done, oh my God, I have done that. Yes. I love that. That's so inspiring. Okay. And what is the kind of company or role that you have in your corporate job? Or have? So in my corporate job, I work as an engineer working on electric vehicles. So that's why like my coaching combines a lot of the process, like the masculine, if you will.
But then I've been trained by the amazing Michelle Chalfant in the Adult Chair Coaching Certification. Like I have that. She and I had a great conversation. I didn't know that you came from her, but that's great. Yep. That's cool. Love your background. And what were you doing in electric cars specifically? I work on the propulsion space.
The Power of Systems in Coaching
So it's and this is how it ties back into, like me being a coach, I always like to work in systems. So I'm like the person that talks to the person who is in charge of designing the battery, the person in charge of designing like the low voltage system and like how do they communicate with each other.
So I bring that background in too with my coaching. 'cause I see us as having like multiple parts, let's say. So it's like. What kind of system works for you? How do your parts wanna talk with you? That kind of thing. Oh my God, that's the best. There's gonna be certain people that just really relate to the engineering mind like that and operate in that system way, but then still need that.
So I'm, so that's why I love about coaching is like we need everybody's unique background and ways that their minds works because you need to find the right fit with somebody who's gonna help you get there based on exactly. So I appreciate what you're doing. If your audience wants to know who I am, so we already talked about nursing.
So did that for a bunch of years. Was always into health. First diet was at eight years old, was into all that, was a personal trainer and did all the things, and then got to the end of my rope with dieting and basically had been the skinniest I ever went, and then went all the way to the other side, felt all the pain of gaining all the weight back after whatever is a very tumultuous time.
And realized that, I was, the reason that I always was up and down with my weight and obsessed about it all the time was because I was not actually looking at the beliefs, the negative shit in the background, all of that kind of stuff that was actually driving me to the cabinet in the first place.
And then I got right, so I have developed my heel method. After all my experience with nursing, personal training, NLP, coaching, hypnosis da. To effectively help my clients do what I did, to now have peace and freedom around food, body, and weight, stop the mental madness. Around that area of life, which leads to success, happiness, right?
And then training people to find their life purpose and NLP is the next step for a lot of people after they get to that spot. So that's what I do. Website, hpwl.co. And podcast is called Hypnosis for Permanent Weight Loss. I love it. I have this one question that I ask all my guests, are you?
Yeah, I am. Tell me if you were. A type of drink to be ordered at a cafe. What would you be and why? Oh, I love this. I love this. I love this. Okay. There was one cafe I went to, it was this like specialty new cafe. I think it was like Venezuelan or it was Mexican. I can't remember. They had this specialty coffee that had a little bit of bitterness, but then it had a, like this special I don't wanna say caramel because it sounds too sweet, but it was like this perfection of the foam and then it had this, like caramel salts on the top. So it's like this bitter coffee, like dimension multidimensional care.
Right? And I think it's made with espresso. And I can't stop. Like I, anyway, that was like the best thing I ever had. So I feel like that would be me. So why multidimensional? I'm a little fun. I can also be straight. I like to help people get the job done. That espresso gets the job done. Yeah. But I'm also like, let's have some fun and keep it, you can sweet little sweet, happy, have a right.
And it's the full shebang. I love it. Thank you. I like that question. I wasn't prepared, but it's so accurate. So thank you for making me have fun. That's what makes it fun, because truthfully, my intention with the podcast is to be more of this format, actually, the coffee chat format.
Cool. A theme here. Yeah. So yeah. Thank you so much. What's your coffee type? You know what, when I came up with a question, I thought about it it's gonna sound so boring, but it's accurate. So mine would just be like a cup of black coffee, like straight to great, straight to the point.
Oh, I love it. That makes sense. Just you look at all the fancy drinks and you go to the black coffee anyway. 'cause you know that's like reliable. That's what you want. That is the best. I have a lot of respect for that. I love a good glass or a cup of black coffee. So I get it, but it also, it's perfect for your brand. So thank you for being black coffee and as exquisite as that. Straight to the point as can be, that's great. Awesome. Laura, thank you so much for this conversation. Yeah, likewise. Thank you, Leslie. Yeah, we definitely have to do this again.
Yeah, sounds good. All right. Have a good night. You too. Bye bye. See ya.
Final Reflections and Contact Information
Wow. That was one of those conversations I didn't know I needed until I was in it. Huge thanks to Leslie for not only showing up with so much honesty and depth, but also for automatically recording our call so you could hear it too. If something in this episode hit home for you, don't just let it sit.
Do something with it. Share it with a friend who might be in the same place. DM me and tell me what landed or head to www.leadintact.com to grab your free heart aligned career transition starter or book a free 20 minute call with me. You don't have to navigate the messy middle of a pivot alone. I've got you.
And if you're like, uh, forget you, Laura. I want more Leslie.
You can check her out at hpwl.co. I will put that in the show notes and tune into her podcast, hypnosis for permanent Weight Loss. Alright, friend, that's it for today's drop. I'll catch you next time on the pivot point with Laura Dionisio. Proceed as if success is inevitable because it is.